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    I.o.m 2017 deaths

    I watched Hutchy last night win another TT it was great to watch I really enjoyed it but at the end of the program they said there had been 3 deaths in the last couple of days which really put a downer on my thoughts about the tt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun64 View Post
    I watched Hutchy last night win another TT it was great to watch I really enjoyed it but at the end of the program they said there had been 3 deaths in the last couple of days which really put a downer on my thoughts about the tt.
    While obviously a pity these guys have died it's not an unusual occurrence.

    They know the risks and race anyway knowing that if the worst happens then at least they have died doing something that they enjoy.

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    Sorry I am think that is one of the most over used statements in Motor cycle sport
    They have died doing something they enjoyed doing, usually followed by RIP.
    It is time this event was stopped or else made a hell of a lot safer.
    There have been 5 fatalities this year the death rate is going up year on year.
    No doubt I will get hammered for this. I have been a road race fan since I was 14 and still go to at least one or two road races a year in N Ireland. I have never been to the TT as one it is to bloody expensive to get there and two to what see the riders go past every 17 minutes for 5 laps. No thanks. My last road race was the Tandragee 100 last year. There was a young gun called Malaci Mitchell Thomas, a new wonder kid on the block. He was flying and everyone was raving about him. I thought to myself then, son you are quick but take your time and learn the track and your craft as well. He was killed at the NW200 about a month later.

    The death toll in this year’s TT Races which finished on Friday is just one fewer than the worst year for the event, which was 1970, when there were six fatalities.

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    lew I am with you it should be made a lot safer, I watched it last night to hear Hutchy has broken his leg.I saw a clip of Guy martins crash on the new Honda he only just got out of the way of the bike behind him.

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    The bumps in the road could be smoothed out by the councils surely?
    Make the track as flat and as grippy as posssible?

    It would be nigh on impossible to eliminate the curbs, lamposts, walls, houses, hedgerows and other static immovable objects but cancel the whole event - unthinkable...

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    Lew, i'm with you on this one.
    Way too many deaths during this event, safety needs improving.

    I have in my past being doing the Danish Championships on road and on track - with not a single fatality in those 8 years i was in it.

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    Sorry I am think that is one of the most over used statements in Motor cycle sport
    They have died doing something they enjoyed doing, usually followed by RIP.


    Tends to be what the families often to say so I'm not going to criticise that.

    It is time this event was stopped or else made a hell of a lot safer.
    There have been 5 fatalities this year the death rate is going up year on year.


    Thought it was 3 deaths this year and according to this link I'd say the average is a steady 2 to 3 with occasional spikes.

    List of Snaefell Mountain Course fatalities - Wikipedia

    Obviously as speeds increase the chance of a death following an accident increases but to say ban the TT is (in my opinion) bowing to a nanny state and the health and safety bureaucrats.

    The death toll in this year¬’s TT Races which finished on Friday is just one fewer than the worst year for the event, which was 1970, when there were six fatalities.

    Again, according to the link above (if Wikipedia can be trusted), it looks like the trend is generally downward.

    If you want to go down the stopping of needless deaths route lets stop all dangerous activities, e.g. mountain climbing. Comparing climbing Everest (1922 to 2017 - 292 deaths) to the TT (1911 to 2017 - 255) I'd say the TT is less dangerous. There were 24 deaths on Everest in 2015 alone with 6 so far this year.

    Even angling has it's fair share of deaths but you don't hear many calls for that to be banned or to stop people running marathons as that also accounts for a few deaths each year.
    Last edited by donut; 06-12-2017 at 09:50 AM.

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    I did correct my earlier post it was 3 riders and 2 bikers, sky sports reporting error Below is a reply I posted on another forum.
    I am not against the TT but more needs to be done than is being done.
    There have been 60 riders killed on the IOM TT/Manx GP since 2000 /2017. That works out at 3.53 riders killed every year and you say you do not want to see HSE interfering with our sport.
    Given that approx 180 riders compete at each event tt & mgp and taking the statistics for the last 17 years this works out at a fatality rate of 1.3% a year, that is unless my maths are wrong. Sorry but this is no longer acceptable. The TT organisers will not be happy until they can say the TT is the worlds fastest road race. That honour goes to the UGP which has also had it's share of fatalities 4 since the turn of the century. That is not a record to be proud off but at least the race organisers work hard at track safety and improvements, perhaps the money grabbing Manx could up there game a bit more.

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    Don't think Lew and I will agree on the TT but this article sums up my view very nicely.

    Why the Isle of Man TT matters | Canada Moto Guide

    The 2017 Isle of Man TT is over. The fans have packed up and headed for the ferry, the race teams have loaded their vans, and the locals can go back to their routine (at least, until the Classic TT later this summer).

    Now, itís time for the naysayers to start their yearly refrain, calling for the TTís cancellation. Theyíll point to the three fatalities at this yearís races, and say itís time to shut the event down for good.

    Theyíre wrong.

    The three racers who died this year are Davey Lambert, a Brit who was killed in a crash in the Superbike race; Jochem van den Hoek, a Dutchman who crashed in the Superstock race; and Irishman Alan Bonner, who died in practice for the Senior TT. None of these men were international roadracing stars, but they had achieved enough competency to earn a spot at the TT, and that in itself is a notable feat.

    I donít wish to belittle the loss of these men, or the grief and pain felt by their friends and families. But, the answer to these tragedies is not to shut down the TT. Instead, letís look at some numbers.


    The Isle of Manís Snaefell Mountain Course is a very dangerous place. Thereís no room for error in many sections, with zero run-off.
    According to this document, there have been 255 rider deaths at the Isle of Manís Mountain Course since 1911 (some sources place total number of fatalities, including course workers and spectators, as high as 270). The first casualty was Victor John Surridge, a member of the long-defunct Rudge factory team. Since then, competitors have died every decade at the Isle of Man TT. Some years see no fatalities, but other years see multiple deaths. The worst year for the TT was 1970, which saw six riders die (in 2005, the Mountain Course saw 11 deaths, including the fatalities from the Manx GP races also held there).

    You canít fudge those numbers. The Mountain Circuit is dangerous at high speed. And yet, riders show up every year to race, many of them repeat visitors. Nobody forces them to come.

    Perhaps this yearís most high-profile example is Guy Martin, the working-class street circuit hero who came back to the IOMTT this year after taking 2016 off. Martinís smashed up badly at the TT before; his fiery 2010 crash is legendary, and he had another bad accident at the Ulster GP in 2015 (a similar event, also run on public roads) that could have ended his career. In fact, he took a few months off, and was considered retired.

    Yet, in 2017, Martin was back, racing again. Nobody forced him to come backóin fact, he ended up sitting out the Senior TT, after bike trouble put him off-track earlier in the week; you canít even blame a big paycheck for his return. Despite being visibly shaken by that crash aboard the Honda superbike, he still managed a second-place finish later in the TT Zero electric motorcycle race. Martin made his own choices, to race or not to race, and lived by them. Heís survived the week to race another year, or not. Itís his decision.

    His attitude is best summed up with his famous quote: ďĒIf you think itís too dangerous then go home and cut your lawn and leave us to it.Ē


    Although itís a time-honoured tradition and the fans love it, thatís not enough reason to keep the TT alive. We should keep the TT alive because it reminds us of a basic choice we all make: to live with risk, or not to.
    The Isle of Man TT shouldnít continue running simply to honour the memories of dead racers. It shouldnít be kept alive just because itís a ripping good set of races. It would be silly to keep it alive because itís a time-honoured tradition. The best reason to keep it alive is because itís an embodiment of a choice we all have: To live our lives in a matter we choose, whether or not it makes sense to our neighbours.

    The Isle of Manís Snaefell Mountain Course is a 37.73-mile throwback to times when the world was more dangerous and people lived with much more risk than we do todayóand they accepted those risks, partly because they realized weíre all mortal. As Chuck Palahinchuk put it, ďOn a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone will drop to zero.Ē Itís a grim thought, but everybodyís birth certificate comes with an expiry date.

    For some people, the chance to do what they love most and reach a lifelong goal before that day comes, is worth the risk of coming to that day sooner.

    After all, isnít a decision like that how most of us end up motorcycling to start with?

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    List of Snaefell Mountain Course fatalities - Wikipedia

    I wonder if this poor bugger would agree. THIS IS A VERY GRAFIC VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT IS A FATALITY 2014

    FATAL ACCIDENT Died in a CRASH at BALLAUGH on the TT ISLE OF MAN (full video 720p HD ORGINAL ) - YouTube
    Last edited by LewFZ1; 06-15-2017 at 03:37 PM.

 

 

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