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    Suspension options UK

    Hey, I have spent the last couple of weeks investigating suspension options for our bikes, mine is a 2016 MT09. pricing seems to have changed a lot since most of the threads were made so I thought I would update my current findings as of this week.

    So, I contacted a few different suppliers, including JHS which is local to me here in Bristol.

    Here are my findings:

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    Andreani front cartridges and Ohlins 335 rear 900
    Andreani Advanced Adjustable Fork Cartridge Ohlins Kit Yamaha MT09 | Conquest Carbon


    JHS Racing:


    Rear
    • K-tech Razor R shock built to riders weight 594
    • Or K-tech Razor R Lite shock built to riders weight 415
    • Nitron R1 435




    Front
    • K-tech 20mm fork cartridge kit 594
    • Fork springs to riders weight 85
    • Fork service & Fitting to loose forks 180


    Prices include VAT.



    Maxton:


    Rear

    We recommend replacing the unit with a Maxton NON-remote unit. This unit is basically an
    RT10 shock without the remote reservoir. The Maxton unit is an alloy bodied high pressure gas
    shock with a floating piston to separate the oil and gas. The unit is adjustable for rebound
    damping, compression damping, preload and ride height adjustment. The Maxton unit is
    built to order so we valve and spring the shock to suit your rider weight and what you are
    using the bike for, we also base set the adjusters at a setting that suits you. The preload
    adjustment is very quick and easy to get to.

    The NR4 Maxton unit costs 460.00 + V.A.T = 552


    If you are using the bike on the track or riding the bike very fast then we would recommend
    the GP10 unit, this unit has a remote reservoir with high and low speed compression damping
    adjusters. This makes it very quick and easy to change the compression damping and also
    gives you a much finer range and wider range on the compression damping adjustment.
    We have machined a special bracket to hold the GP10 remote reservoir which fits on the
    passenger foot rest mounting point. If you needed to you can still use the passenger foot rest
    with the GP10 rear shock.

    The GP10 rear shock and fitting kit costs 780.00 + V.A.T = 936


    Front

    GP20
    The Maxton GP20 fork cartridges have rebound damping and compression
    damping in both legs. To reduce the cost of the cartridges we use the standard fork tops, so
    this means even though you have rebound damping and compression damping in both legs
    the rebound damping is only altered from one leg. The GP20 cartridges are built to order so
    we valve and spring them to suit your rider weight and what you are using the bike for. The
    damping inside the forks is progressive, this means the first part of the travel is soft and
    compliant but the faster and further the forks move the more support and control the forks
    have. This means the forks will absorb small bumps in the road but under heavy braking they
    have support and also control when you let go of the brake. We fit springs to the GP20
    cartridges to suit your rider weight and what you are using the bike for.

    The cost of the GP20 fork cartridges is 405.00 + V.A.T per pair = 486
    The cost of servicing the forks with new fork seals and fitting the GP20 cartridges is an extra 155.00 + V.A.T per pair = 186

    If you would like adjustable rebound damping in both legs we supply our GP20 fork
    cartridges with new Maxton fork tops.
    These cartridges cost 555.00 + V.A.T per pair = 666
    And an extra 155.00 + V.A.T to fit them with new fork seals = 186

    The GP20 quoted in the spec sheet is adjustable for rebound only, it is the most affordable option we offer and it is what most of our MT-09 customers go for. If you are looking for compression adjustment then you would need to go for our SD25 cartridge, details below:


    SD25
    These are a new cartridge that we have been developing over the last 2 years. We have not launched them yet as we have been developing them over the summer, so they are not yet advertised on our website.

    The SD25 cartridges are basically a smaller version of the GP30 fork cartridges. We have been developing the GP30 fork cartridges over the last 9 years and realised that a smaller, more affordable version is needed. The fork tops that the SD25 cartridges come with look very similar to the GP30 fork tops. The principal of the SD25 cartridges is the same as the GP30, they have separate damping in each leg. The right leg has rebound damping, the left leg has compression damping. Both legs have springs fitted. This means all of the adjusters are at the top of the fork. There are two options for the SD25 cartridges :

    1. Is a fully adjustable pair of cartridges with rebound damping, compression damping and preload adjustment. This cartridge cost 675.00 + V.A.T per pair plus installation = 810 + 186

    2. The second option has less adjustment, to keep the cost down. These cartridges have rebound damping and compression damping adjustment, but no preload adjustment. The preload can still be changed by removing the fork tops and changing the length of the internal spring spacer. This cartridge cost 520.00 + V.A.T per pair plus installation = 624 + 186


    Both options of SD25 cartridge are built to order, so we valve the cartridges to suit what you are using the bike for. The SD25 cartridges also come with springs chosen for your rider weight and also what you are using the bike for.



    Personally, I am in two minds of what to do, Maxton feels the more bespoke solution, but the lack of compression adjustment with the GP20 after spending 666 leaves me a little cold! So I'm tempted to get a rear shock from somewhere and contemplate my fork options at a later date. I'm close to just getting springs and oil and seeing if this helps with the front end dive!

    I'll update as I get more quotes etc, MCT won't quote over email unfortunately.

    Cheers
    Mike
    Last edited by Mikejbry; 06-01-2018 at 06:38 AM.

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    Just springs and oil in the front is definitely an upgrade, just depends how desperate you are for proper damping.
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    Ordered the Ktech Razor R rear shock today from JHS racing, I weighed myself at 74kg in textiles and 76kg in leathers, I asked them to spring the shock for 80kg, to allow me to gain a few kg's and/or carry a backpack which is how I usually roll. 2-14 day wait, but I should expect it sometime next week with some luck if Ktech have a suitable shock already made up that just needs respringing.

    Can't wait!!! Who doesn't love some bling

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    Picked it up from JHS yesterday and fitted last night.

    Went in easy, it looks rather puny compared to the stock unit.... 36mm piston I think. But I believe many high end shocks also use a similarly sized piston, such as the Ohlins ttx36 (think that's the model).

    But the first ride is definitely positive, felt great actually, looking forward to finishing work and I'll take a longer route home to try and find a decent road to give it some beans. It didn't try to bounce me out of the seat at all compared to the old one over big bumps.

    At my weight, I asked for them to spring it for 80kg (heavier end of my possible weight, i.e back packs etc), they fitted a 9.5kg/mm spring, or maybe 95N/mm, which is a little over 9.5kg. I'll check when I get home.

    I was torn between this shock and the Maxton, then my budget consideration was the Nitron.

    So far I'm pleased with my choice!
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    Last edited by Mikejbry; 06-12-2018 at 05:57 AM.

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    The hose runs quite close to the sub frame so I'll be looking for some clear hose to split and wrap around it to keep it protected. But I dont think it will pose that much of an issue, it shouldn't move much there.

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    Ok so settings provided by Ktech:

    The Ktech shock was set with 32mm static sag (with me on it, without gear, so 6-8kg of extra weight to increase sag slightly. I'll measure later how much of the lower and upper ring threads are showing to get this sag.

    Compression: 14 clicks out
    Rebound: 16 clicks out

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    Bought a head stock stand in case anyone is interested. I read a few things about several of them not lifting the mt09 high enough.

    Well I bought one of these:

    Motorbike Paddock Stand Front Head Lift Standard Yamaha MT-09 13-16 | eBay

    I set it to the highest setting and it lifts the front wheel off the ground by about 10mm.

    It comes with the 20mm pin required for the mt09, but what it doesn't advertise is that it comes with a complete set of 5 pins. So it should fit lots of others too.

    Ready to remove forks now once I decide what to do!
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    When you come to drop your forks, remove the mudguard before putting it on the headstock stand.

    And didn't the horn get in the way of the stand? - I've moved mine to under the l/h dummy intake.

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    I had to temporarily remove the horn and unplug the plastic cable clip. Moving the horn sounds like a sensible idea!

    I take it the mudguard is a nightmare to remove on a stand like this!?

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    I wouldn't say it's a nightmare, it's possible that it will come off when it's on the stand but having had a go I thought I'd likely damage the finish or crack it trying to get it off so it was easier to just take it off before puting it on the stand.

 

 

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