Concerns

[Mitch]

Probably not mentioned it before, i am a vehicle tech of some 30 years experience, used to do mot's, specialised in electronic diagnostics, ABS on a bike is much the same as a car in components and function, just less wheels, seen loads of failed ABS systems on cars, they just stop like normal non abs cars, Most usual failure is the wheel speed sensors, the wires to them fatigue and go open circuit.

And what dose you experience got to do with anything I am voiceing my thoughts on abs on bikes ... the thing is you lock your brakes on a car you can deal with it you do it on your bike and it could get pricey. A new rider gets on the bike and grabs the brakes without thinking as there using the abs . Abs fails while there out and they have not gona have a clue on how to feel.the brakes . On a bike its vital thing to learn

 

[misscrabstick]

I agree, it's not a thing that getting used to will do you any favours on non abs braking bikes. I was making the point that abs failure does not leave you without brakes, you'd also be an idiot to ride with an abs lamp on and expecting the abs to work, although I have no doubt it's happened.

 

[Stripy]

I'd probably have gone for the ABS, if it was available when I got my MT back in October. It wasn't a deal breaker for me though, but I think it's a "nice" thing, specially when using the bike for commuting on crappy roads in rainy UK...
Recently, I had a fall on the bike, where the front wheel disappeared under me during breaking on slippery surface - I'm absolutely sure it would have been avoided, if I had the ABS.

Have you got ABS, you theoretically can disable it, simply by pulling the fuse - but is a bit of a hassle dealing with it like that... The system will still be able to brake.

I see and understand the benefits of not having it as well, though. And I'm happy with my MT as it is - without

 

[misscrabstick]

Traction control would have stopped my lowside from happening! you need ABS though for the traction control system as it shares most of the ABS components to function, ie uses the ABS pump to put the brakes on when a wheel is perceived as spinning as well as shutting down engine torque through the engine control unit.

 

[Twozup]

ABS fails while there out and they are not gonna have a clue on how to feel.the brakes . On a bike its vital thing to learn

I think that's bang on Mitch.

But I'm saying that as having never ridden a bike with ABS- so I'm not really qualified to comment I suppose

However as an engineer the most important thing I know is to always take things back to first principals- which in this case is probably read the road conditions and your environment, adjust speed accordingly etc etc blah blah and make sure you never get into having to lock up in the first place.
(Yeah right- I know I know!)

Not that I'm a boring IoAM Cnut or anything honestly!!!

But knowing how to brake quickly and progressively without locking up using feel ie without electronic aids is the next logical step? Then and only then is a reliance on gadgetry so you at least have that skill in the admittedly highly unlikely event it fails

I'm not anti Anti if that makes sense- far from it- my car has ABS ffs but I learned how to cadence brake well before I had a car with it and the instinct has never left me.

Just my views- feel free to tear them apart

Ps I'll probably throw it down the road now after grabbing an emergency panicked handful and wish I'd never written this!!


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[Triple Trouble]

I think that's bang on Mitch.

But I'm saying that as having never ridden a bike with ABS- so I'm not really qualified to comment I suppose

However as an engineer the most important thing I know is to always take things back to first principals- which in this case is probably read the road conditions and your environment, adjust speed accordingly etc etc blah blah and make sure you never get into having to lock up in the first place.
(Yeah right- I know I know!)

Not that I'm a boring IoAM Cnut or anything honestly!!!

But knowing how to brake quickly and progressively without locking up using feel ie without electronic aids is the next logical step? Then and only then is a reliance on gadgetry so you at least have that skill in the admittedly highly unlikely event it fails

I'm not anti Anti if that makes sense- far from it- my car has ABS ffs but I learned how to cadence brake well before I had a car with it and the instinct has never left me.

Just my views- feel free to tear them apart

Ps I'll probably throw it down the road now after grabbing an emergency panicked handful and wish I'd never written this!!


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R u IoAM trained as well?? Oh dear. We best keep this to ourselves coz we mite get booted pmsl...!

 

[Twozup]

Haha no no no! That's what I was saying- im NOT a nasal h&s fcuk!


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[Twozup]

No offence like!


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[Triple Trouble]

Oi...! Steady lol. Oh poo... I'm just gonna wait for the flack now lol

 

[Twozup]

Just say you were kidding- quick!! Haha


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[Triple Trouble]

I was kidding...! I wud never of done that all those years ago...! Or police driving, or ROSPA..... oh poo

 

[Twozup]

I'm not hanging out with you anymore Trips- here's me thinking you were one if us!


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[Triple Trouble]

Lol. It's a past I wud rather forget lol. I drive a truck now tho haha